Went in for a service..7 weeks later no oil and a knocking crank.

[WhiteWagonMan]

I was ear wigging over a conversation between martin at sss and a guy called Dan Duke this morning,i think he may be a member on here but im unsure.

Apparently he took his car into a Subaru SPECIALIST called Rotherham Scoobies(YES ITS THEM AGAIN)for a service 7 weeks ago,im not sure of the full facts but its somehow over the weekend lost all its oil and took the crank out with it,the guy was wounded to say the least.

He is having the car recovered to sss so the full facts will become available to me shortly,but what is scaring me is this is yet ANOTHER Subaru owner who has fell victim to these talking monkeys at Rotherham Scoobies who claim to be Subaru specialists,why people risk using these jokers is beyond me.

[Tidgy]

heard about it, tis a bad thing, was it mapped for the mods etc?

[Essbon]

Bleeding hell

Dan turned up at the monthly meet yesterday and it died when parking up.

We thought it was a dodgy alternator sounds like it's more than that...

[Tidgy]

Steve mentioned bottom end

[Essbon]

bugger!

[The Gaffer]

I rest my case your honour................

[-Stealth-]

I told you so springs to mind.

New bigger turbo and no remap he was running as well I believe but I'm sure he'll confirm that if he comes on here.

[Steve]

Whatever happened Dan is gutted

[Tidgy]

yeah i bet, really feel for him. Just need to make sure he gets it sorted properly,not by a wanna be tuner and the love affair will continue

[The Gaffer]

Whatever happened Dan is gutted

He knows where we are, buy cheap buy twice, do it right do it once, simples

Cheers

Kev

[artyscoob]

He knows where we are, buy cheap buy twice, do it right do it once, simples

Cheers

Kev

Yep --I know all about that too !

[salsa-king]

He knows where we are, buy cheap buy twice, do it right do it once, simples

Cheers

Kev

quality remembered long after price has been forgot

[shepbomb]

Not another :-( that's at least three I know of completely trashed by them now, and many more lucky escapes

[Bigfootgman]

Doesn't sound good feel for you dan

[BoozyDave]

i made the mistake of using rotherham scoobies to fit some parts for me.

he broke my header tank and tried to bodge it and hope i didn't notice. i could smell petrol after a hard blast, pulled up and had a look, petrol was squrting from beside an injector straight onto my turbo. got him to come back to sort it out (he had used the old seal's, not new ones like i asked him to supply) and then i took it to the clinic for a power run and it was detting, he had kinked the pipe on the fuel rail and could have killed my engine

[Ash]

Its disgusting that they are left to get away with it cowboys

[shepbomb]

i made the mistake of using rotherham scoobies to fit some parts for me.

he broke my header tank and tried to bodge it and hope i didn't notice. i could smell petrol after a hard blast, pulled up and had a look, petrol was squrting from beside an injector straight onto my turbo. got him to come back to sort it out (he had used the old seal's, not new ones like i asked him to supply) and then i took it to the clinic for a power run and it was detting, he had kinked the pipe on the fuel rail and could have killed my engine

No matter how many people I warn not to use them, it falls on deaf ears, I only no a very small minority of people who 'enjoy' the marque, and nobody listens to me, so i can only imagine how frustrating it is for Kev and his team at the clinic, I can imagine the 'I told you so' has nearly left his lips so many times.

[STiG]

Firstly, Thankyou for posting my business up before I have had a chance to speak to Rotherham Scoobies and deal with this myself. Obviously I can see that it is your business also and that you have more interest than to merely band gossip around. If you feel your better equipped to deal with it than I am and you know all the details I'm perfectly happy for you to reaolve the issue on my behalf?? If not, STFU.

As for the facts, here they are. I have had the car since 2011 as you know. In that time I have had zero issues mechanically with the car (that weren't my own doing). In July I shredded my turbo in the messiest way possible on a country lane on boost. I had already decided I wanted to upgrade the turbo and when I was offered a nearly new SC38 for well within my budget, taken from a car I knew was proven and had seen running, obviously I was always going to cut a corner when the reality is I should have paid extra and taken the car to the clinic. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Having known Tony at Rotherham Scoobies through Facebook for close to two years and had got on with him on a friendly level I never thought to question his abilities. However, the first alarm bells started ringing when they struggled to remove the up-pipe from the wrecked turbo, telling me that whoever had fitted my VF34 (Bob Rawle) had w**kered the threads and therefore it was a struggle but it was sorted. They then jet-washed my engine bay to get rid of "oil soaked into the heat wrap" that was smoking. I confess that throughout the day I wasn't watching the work being done and busied myself cleaning one of Tonys cars to relieve the boredom. While I remember seeing the gearbox oil go in and the engine oil dropped, I can't recall seeing the engine oil going in. So in all the day took from 09.30 until around 16.30 and consisted of a changed turbo and a fluid (gearbox, engine and coolant) change and cost £900 for the entire lot which included a full refill with Millers 10w40.

Two weeks or so later, the car went to be mapped by Duncan Graham of RaceDynamix. After several telephone conversations where I had voiced concerns at the map that was currently running from Zen Performance (307bhp with a set up the Scooby clinic, Scoobyworld, RCM and many enthusiasts had confirmed was good for 330+). The moment the car was on the rollers, Duncan Spotted the blowing pipe and Tony stepped in saying they knew about it and he was going to get it sorted and to go ahead with the map. Duncan mapped the car with an end result of 332bhp and stated that the car was mapped rich to compensate for the up-pipe being sorted and a map tweak would see an end result of 350+. I have to say that I have had no reason to doubt or criticise the map other than I have more bhp and a lot less torque and all my pops and bangs have gone ?

After a few days the CEL came on and I took the car to a local garage where it was plugged in and the fault code was "misfire on Cylinder 1". The root cause of the problem was a faulty coil pack probably caused by water damage... I sourced a used up-pipe from a breakers which Rotherham Scoobies then said didn't have the studs so I ran around South Yorkshire to several Motor Factors to get the right ones which I eventually did. The car arrived to them at 9am on a Thursday morning. It took about 45mins to switch the suspension legs over for a new one I'd got due to a leaking seal and whilst they did this I took off my intercooler and undid the bolts on the turbo so that half the work was done and ready for them. It's then took them until about 3pm to get the up-pipe off. At this point I left the garage to recur my partner, who was stranded after the brakes on her car (which was bought from the aforementioned garage) had failed for the second time whilst her and the kids were in the car. When I returned an hour later I was told that they'd got my faulty up-pipe off, fitted the new one, "it" had stripped the threads so they put the old one back on and had "fixed" it. A few days later and the ominous smell of exhaust gases inside the car signalled the return of the blowing exhaust up-pipe. A week later and during an unexpected power failure I had to jump the car and as I was stood in Tesco carpark with my bonnet up I noticed that the dump valve that was fitted to my car was not the one I had purchased from ScoobyWorld in 2011. It was the same type, but those that know how anal I am know that I polish my dump valve. And a stained and marked dump valve is not what was there. Though obviously this is a pointless debate because neither side can prove or disprove anything.

After the turbo was done, Tony told my partner, "don't drive that car. It doesn't sound right. I give it 2 months and that engine is gonna go bang!". That was just under two months ago. Maybe he had a premonition? Maybe he knew something we didn't. Unfortunately my partner didn't correctly relay the comment at the time and as the car was showing no signs of under performing and I had healthy dyno charts I didn't think to investigate further. I had no cause to as I had trusted them with my car.

Added to this, the car has developed an electrical fault of some description. The battery will not charge or the car will not start. I can go for days where the car starts fine or start with a chirp from the alarm or I can go through days where everytime I turn the engine off I need a jump to restart it. For example, I drove down from Barnsley on Saturday, stopped a few times and then parked up at the hotel overnight. The car started fine. Drove a few miles to the petrol station and had to get jumped.

On Sunday we arrived at the clock and the car died as soon as I put it in reverse. We left it for a bit and Luke Parker kindly brought out a new battery. This had no effect and whilst we stood there scratching out heads we checked the oil. Bone dry. Nothing whatsoever on the dipstick, it wasn't even damp. We got it started and managed to limp the car to the A50 shell garage. It took 2l before it even registered a dribble on the stick. I the knocking was already terrible and I made the decision to try limping the car to Alvaston as we had Gracie with us and no baby milk and she was screaming. We got halfway before the car gave up totally.

The conclusion to this is that I have had more problems with the car since Rotherham Scoobies touched it than I have in the previous 3 years of ownership. It may well be coincidence. It may be the fact that my luck is less than brilliant. Certainly I'm guilty of trying to cut costs and ultimately I have paid the price. Yes I am gutted. Not only is it my pride and joy and something I worked very hard to get and keep through unemployment and personal difficulties but also because it's my means of travel and working shifts is going to be very difficult, especially when my partner needs her car for the school run and stuff. It's also going to be very expensive and just before Christmas too. Throughout this Tony has constantly messaged my partner, but has sent me 1 message, one line, about 8 words. Either way now you have all the information you can return to discussing it while I return to worrying about fixing it. As for "the full facts becoming available to you shortly", they won't. It's f**k all to do with you and I'll thank you to keep your nose out of business that doesn't concern you.

Edited October 7, 2014 by STiG

[STiG]

Stealth, wrong as always I see.

[chrisp77]

So the bottom line is the wrong people worked on your car & you didn't check the oil for 7 weeks?

[The Gaffer]

Hi

so you don’t listen to good advice at the start, then when things go tits and people actively try to help you tell everyone to keep their noses out........

My premonition is when its stripped there will be piston-land failure due to det, which would have been the recorded cylinder misfire, this in turn leads to high oil consumption, you didn’t check the oil level, its burnt it and knocked the bottom end out.

The SC38 Billet was never intended for use on a 2.0 ltr WRX, on an STI it would be fine with a decent map, but on a WRX the mapper would not be able to hold it down even at actuator pressure it would make to much boost pressure for the cast pistons, but hey what do we know.

We also have free loan cars which solves your transport problems whilst the car is down.

Regards

Kev

[Big Shrek]

Firstly, Thankyou for posting my business up before I have had a chance to speak to Rotherham Scoobies and deal with this myself. Obviously I can see that it is your business also and that you have more interest than to merely band gossip around. If you feel your better equipped to deal with it than I am and you know all the details I'm perfectly happy for you to reaolve the issue on my behalf?? If not, STFU.

As for the facts, here they are. I have had the car since 2011 as you know. In that time I have had zero issues mechanically with the car (that weren't my own doing). In July I shredded my turbo in the messiest way possible on a country lane on boost. I had already decided I wanted to upgrade the turbo and when I was offered a nearly new SC38 for well within my budget, taken from a car I knew was proven and had seen running, obviously I was always going to cut a corner when the reality is I should have paid extra and taken the car to the clinic. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Having known Tony at Rotherham Scoobies through Facebook for close to two years and had got on with him on a friendly level I never thought to question his abilities. However, the first alarm bells started ringing when they struggled to remove the up-pipe from the wrecked turbo, telling me that whoever had fitted my VF34 (Bob Rawle) had w**kered the threads and therefore it was a struggle but it was sorted. They then jet-washed my engine bay to get rid of "oil soaked into the heat wrap" that was smoking. I confess that throughout the day I wasn't watching the work being done and busied myself cleaning one of Tonys cars to relieve the boredom. While I remember seeing the gearbox oil go in and the engine oil dropped, I can't recall seeing the engine oil going in. So in all the day took from 09.30 until around 16.30 and consisted of a changed turbo and a fluid (gearbox, engine and coolant) change and cost £900 for the entire lot which included a full refill with Millers 10w40.

Two weeks or so later, the car went to be mapped by Duncan Graham of RaceDynamix. After several telephone conversations where I had voiced concerns at the map that was currently running from Zen Performance (307bhp with a set up the Scooby clinic, Scoobyworld, RCM and many enthusiasts had confirmed was good for 330+). The moment the car was on the rollers, Duncan Spotted the blowing pipe and Tony stepped in saying they knew about it and he was going to get it sorted and to go ahead with the map. Duncan mapped the car with an end result of 332bhp and stated that the car was mapped rich to compensate for the up-pipe being sorted and a map tweak would see an end result of 350+. I have to say that I have had no reason to doubt or criticise the map other than I have more bhp and a lot less torque and all my pops and bangs have gone

After a few days the CEL came on and I took the car to a local garage where it was plugged in and the fault code was "misfire on Cylinder 1". The root cause of the problem was a faulty coil pack probably caused by water damage... I sourced a used up-pipe from a breakers which Rotherham Scoobies then said didn't have the studs so I ran around South Yorkshire to several Motor Factors to get the right ones which I eventually did. The car arrived to them at 9am on a Thursday morning. It took about 45mins to switch the suspension legs over for a new one I'd got due to a leaking seal and whilst they did this I took off my intercooler and undid the bolts on the turbo so that half the work was done and ready for them. It's then took them until about 3pm to get the up-pipe off. At this point I left the garage to recur my partner, who was stranded after the brakes on her car (which was bought from the aforementioned garage) had failed for the second time whilst her and the kids were in the car. When I returned an hour later I was told that they'd got my faulty up-pipe off, fitted the new one, "it" had stripped the threads so they put the old one back on and had "fixed" it. A few days later and the ominous smell of exhaust gases inside the car signalled the return of the blowing exhaust up-pipe. A week later and during an unexpected power failure I had to jump the car and as I was stood in Tesco carpark with my bonnet up I noticed that the dump valve that was fitted to my car was not the one I had purchased from ScoobyWorld in 2011. It was the same type, but those that know how anal I am know that I polish my dump valve. And a stained and marked dump valve is not what was there. Though obviously this is a pointless debate because neither side can prove or disprove anything.

After the turbo was done, Tony told my partner, "don't drive that car. It doesn't sound right. I give it 2 months and that engine is gonna go bang!". That was just under two months ago. Maybe he had a premonition? Maybe he knew something we didn't. Unfortunately my partner didn't correctly relay the comment at the time and as the car was showing no signs of under performing and I had healthy dyno charts I didn't think to investigate further. I had no cause to as I had trusted them with my car.

Added to this, the car has developed an electrical fault of some description. The battery will not charge or the car will not start. I can go for days where the car starts fine or start with a chirp from the alarm or I can go through days where everytime I turn the engine off I need a jump to restart it. For example, I drove down from Barnsley on Saturday, stopped a few times and then parked up at the hotel overnight. The car started fine. Drove a few miles to the petrol station and had to get jumped.

On Sunday we arrived at the clock and the car died as soon as I put it in reverse. We left it for a bit and Luke Parker kindly brought out a new battery. This had no effect and whilst we stood there scratching out heads we checked the oil. Bone dry. Nothing whatsoever on the dipstick, it wasn't even damp. We got it started and managed to limp the car to the A50 shell garage. It took 2l before it even registered a dribble on the stick. I the knocking was already terrible and I made the decision to try limping the car to Alvaston as we had Gracie with us and no baby milk and she was screaming. We got halfway before the car gave up totally.

The conclusion to this is that I have had more problems with the car since Rotherham Scoobies touched it than I have in the previous 3 years of ownership. It may well be coincidence. It may be the fact that my luck is less than brilliant. Certainly I'm guilty of trying to cut costs and ultimately I have paid the price. Yes I am gutted. Not only is it my pride and joy and something I worked very hard to get and keep through unemployment and personal difficulties but also because it's my means of travel and working shifts is going to be very difficult, especially when my partner needs her car for the school run and stuff. It's also going to be very expensive and just before Christmas too. Throughout this Tony has constantly messaged my partner, but has sent me 1 message, one line, about 8 words. Either way now you have all the information you can return to discussing it while I return to worrying about fixing it. As for "the full facts becoming available to you shortly", they won't. It's f**k all to do with you and I'll thank you to keep your nose out of business that doesn't concern you.

do you turn green and rip your clothing next for your next party-piece

[WhiteWagonMan]

If the first paragraph is aimed at me then im REALLY looking forward to seeing you again so i can enlighten you on a couple of things,especially after the STFU comment.

[The Gaffer]

[salsa-king]

come on, it's the bigger man who can actually hold his hand up and say he was wrong. But hindsight is a wonderful thing, as we all know.

StiG, I feel for you. have a few sleeps on what to do next. Getting it fixed could still be a cheaper option than buying a new car that could give you as much trouble.